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We are an
out-of-state group trying to start up and we have
periodic meetings here where we have 20 - 35 people show
up. We seem to have a bunch of "interested" people and
should be able to pull in allot more than 100 people at
any given time but seems there is some fragmentation of
thought and process around here.
Just a thought from what is in
your reply here. By “fragmentation” do you mean
differences of opinion or just lack of organization? Our
group is very eclectic...which means we don't get hung
up on a particular core program or theory out there.
What we have accomplished, at least we like to think, is
to set up a buffet line that has some order to it for
people to step and try at their own pace and speed.
However, the cornerstone that seems to give it solid
foundation, both in law as well as morale and
camaraderie, has been the common law court. It provides
everyone a belonging to something that is much more
significant than just some kind of club. It also has
provided a real sense of unity that is likely to be a
big reason for some of our successes. That was the basic
message (and package if you will) that we brought to
Vegas. We were fortunate to have a crowd of learned and
educated folks there such that we easily learned from
them as much as we brought out to them. We would really
like to see this kind of give and take foster more and
more connections from state to state.
The only weakness in the
"patriot movement" if you will is that there is such
piss-poor interaction and communication with a lot of
very qualified groups out there across the country.
There are, we learned, very skilled people across the
nation who have significant resources but have given up
or lost their steam for want of nothing more than a
network to keep them moving forward with a continuing
flow of information. While these folks may continue
pressing forward individually what is clear is how much
stronger and formidable they can be as a group. If you
have 25-30 coming regularly, even if there is dissension
or fragmentation in thoughts and ideas, you have
something very powerful.
I have been told that there are four public officials
within each State who wears dual hats. Those being Gov.,
Lt. Gov., Att. Gen., and the Sec. of State. The Sec. of
State-Ohio stated today that this is not true, but, he
also stated that there was no such thing as Common Law.
Can you verify or negate this for me? I am supposed to
see him on Friday to offer any documentation to support
my claims.
Some more of his intelligent proclamations in my two
hour conversation with the head of the legal Dept. of
the Sec. of State-Ohio:
1) There is no such thing as a straw man.
2) The USA has never gone bankrupt.
3) We operate under Art. 3 Constitutional law and have
never operated in Equity.
4) A legal person and a human being are the same thing.
5) The statutory system ONLY deals with human beings.
6) A legal person can not be the Debtor on a UCC-1.
These are only a few of the intelligent things that this
man let come out of his mouth. I am trying to force him
to file our UCC-1's here in Ohio and am open for ideas.
Okay, we'll
try and break this down issue by issue.
(1)
DUAL HATS - we tend to
agree with this theory in that it is supported by
several events that have transpired here in Minnesota
with respect to the Apostille and Common Law venue
issues. Further research on the Hague convention tends
to show that the actual signatories to the Hague are the
individual states themselves. This is likely why Title
28 Section
297 lists the several states as “countries.”
(2) If
your Secretary of State is so bold as to declare Common
Law non-existent then you may wish to ask him to show
you where the seventh amendment was repealed.
(3) A
strawman is defined by Black's Law dictionary and every
book on property law. Ask any first year law student.
(4) If the
United States is not bankrupt then how do we pay off the
national debt. If he says with the surplus then ask him
how a federal reserve note can pay off the debt any more
than a VISA card can be used to pay off a VISA bill.
(5) With
regards to the courts operating under article 3, Black's
Sixth Edition defines (in Black and White) what a
federal district court is. Look up the word Maritime Law
and read the second paragraph. Now you need a sixth
edition Black's for this, for they conveniently edited a
large portion of the definition from the seventh
edition. Further, Erie Railroad v. Tompkins pretty much
settled the issue. If there is no federal common law you
have got nothing left but Equity and Admiralty.
(6) Legal
person issue: Start with definitions under Title 26 Sec.
7701 "person" and ask him if a Trust or a Corporation is
the SAME THING as a living person. The IRS defines a
"person" as including a legal entity
like a trust or corporation. However, if one goes to
Black's the terms Legal entity and
Legalis homo are two very different
beasts.
(7) If the
statutory system can only deal with human beings then
how the hell can Sears and Roebuck ever get in court?
(8) As for
the legal person never being capable of being a
debtor...BOY DO WE LIKE THAT ONE!!! Do you think you
might get him to put that in writing? Hell, we would all
move to Ohio tomorrow.
Your
willingness to go in and tangle with this guy is
commendable but judging from the questions it is
apparent he doesn't have much more basis in discerning
the law of gravity any more than the laws of his state,
commerce, or the Constitution.
I
recently attended your seminar in Las Vegas. I was
fascinated by some of the topics discussed, especially
the Indentured Trust. I would like to learn as much
about this as possible. I am a dentist in California and
it is my understanding that a trust can not own a dental
practice. If this is true I hope there is a way around
it. Please advise as to the best and most efficient way
to learn about the Indentured Trust and how to file the
tax return.
If the
practice employs MR. GOMEZ with all caps (i.e. the one
who has the SSA #.) then the practice would still be
filing it's own taxes. Some of the confusion with this
trust is that when it files a 1040 it is treated as an
EMPLOYEE. When properly filed under the 1041 it is
properly treated for tax purposes as an EMPLOYER. That
is why they assign the E.I.N. You would want to sit down
with your accountant and first figure out what kind of
tax relationship is in operation right now. Again, as we
said at the seminar, if you are truly serious about
delving into this process of the trust you should really
give
TeamLaw a call. We say
this for two reasons; (1) They are the ones that
pioneered this process and led us to it. We want credit
to go where it is due. (2) While we may seriously
question the broad "copyright" claims TeamLaw makes to
its material once thrust into the public sector, we do
recognize them as an ongoing and valuable resource.
Anybody can get their mitts on an indenture but half the
challenge of this is understanding just what you are
doing with it. No organization is better equipped to
assist you in that regard than TeamLaw. And you can't
qualify for their assistance if you are not a
beneficiary. This is why we ask you to contact TeamLaw
to procure not only the indenture but also the audio
tape on the process. TeamLaw has contacts with actual
accountants, possibly in your area, that might be able
to hook you up with sound advice for your specific
situation.
I
have been thru a Constitutional course, Have done
plenty of abatements and the like, only to get my behind
kicked by the Gestapo. I have read the "commerce
game," have filed a UCC-1, have been told to hold off
on the letter to Mr. Summers. I have read renegade
government, vultures in eagles clothing, the unholy
trinity, multiple books, read the "aware group"
information, Technology via Mr. David-Wyn: Miller,
getting information on "Step by Step" redemption
program, I AM willing to work, and to study to show
myself approved, but am looking for people that "know"
what works and how to correctly use it.
I
live in Michigan, and am wondering how to do the
lectures if you're in Minnesota, do you have hard copy,
tapes or lecture material I can purchase??
I
appreciate your efforts and am myself striving to talk
the talk, but more importantly to walk the walk of the
sovereign I profess to be. I do not need the government
to assist me in my endeavors.
Please let me know what to do, where to go, and how to
proceed with your information.
Thank you!
At this time the only lecture series
available on tape is the one just presented last weekend
in Las Vegas. The production manager is arranging for
the distribution of this tape series of our two day
seminar, It will include four VHS tapes and a 205 page
manual of material and exhibits. We believe the purchase
price will be around $150.00. You will shortly be able
to place orders directly through our website. We have
discussed the possibility of presenting seminars in
other states and would probably be able to come out
there if the interest was sufficient to carry the costs.
If this second option is of interest to you and others
in your area please
contact us and we can
hammer out a plan.
I would like to
join Team Law but I can't seem to get them to return my
calls.
Team Law can best
be reached via their website at
http://www.teamlaw.org. Sometimes Mr. Madsen
can take a week or two to get back to you. He has often
told us that since he answers emails on a first-in
first-out basis that one should email a few times. Don't
ask for the logic in that but he is there and he will
get back to you..
When one claims Sovereignty, what exactly is one
claiming?
Sovereignty is a
birthright granted by your creator. I don’t care what
you call that creator, God, Yahweh, Allah, Wakan Tanka,
the Great Caca or the just the Universe, you were
created. If you adhere to the Declaration of
Independence, you acknowledge a creator. In that vein,
you don’t really claim sovereignty as much as you
accept it. If you want a simple answer to what
you are “claiming,” it is title to yourself.
When one claims Sovereignty, what privileges that we
currently enjoy will we be forfeiting?
The privilege of
being a dependent of a bankrupt corporation is
forfeited. The privileges accorded a subject are
forfeited. The privilege of having someone to answer to
and take responsibility for you is forfeited.
When one claims Sovereignty, what responsibilities will
be expected of one?
You are
responsible to your conscience, your God and your fellow
man. You are expected to honor your agreements that you
enter into knowingly and willingly. You are expected to
honor the sovereignty of your fellow man EVEN IF HE IS
NOT AWARE OF HIS OR HER OWN SOVEREIGNTY.
Regarding the Citizen status: The original constitution
grants us the sovereign powers over ourselves so we are
sovereign citizens of the state in which we reside. How
does the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution alter
that sovereign citizenship? And, if passed as an
Amendment to the Constitution, is it not to be adhered
to by all?
The single most
misunderstood notion of the Constitution is that it
somehow “grants” a person power or rights. The
Constitution grants you nothing. God did that, or your
creator or whatever name by which you call to him in
prayer. The Constitution is a document of limitation and
boundaries which binds the corporation known as
GOVERNMENT. It is not designed to govern the governed.
It is, as I say, a very difficult concept for many to
understand because no one in this day and age dares
teach it. The 14th amendment alters nothing
unless you knowingly wish to be subject to the
jurisdiction it invokes and proclaim yourself, in
essence, a federal government employee. People also seem
to have a great misunderstanding about what an amendment
is and what it does. No amendment may CHANGE the “truths
we hold to be self evident.” For example, you cannot
write an amendment to, say, repeal the electoral college
or the requirement that the United States may only coin
gold and silver. Amendments serve only to clarify or
more specifically define and narrow an understanding of
a particular constitutional clause or principle. Read
the Brushaber decision if you don’t understand the
concept. The Supreme Court did a very fine job of
explaining that the 16th amendment changed
nothing with respect to the Constitution vis-à-vis
taxation.
Regarding the
taxation issue—whether taxes are legal and/or mandatory:
Amendment to
the Constitution, Amendment XVI, states that Congress
shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on income,
from whatever source derived, without appointment among
the several states, and without regard to any census of
enumeration. The XVI Amendment provided for a
constitutional amendment, which was required to permit a
practical national income tax in 1913.
Then how is it
that by claiming Sovereignty we can say that we do not
have to pay the state and federal income tax, social
security, etc? Are they not mandatory?
Again – look up
“Brushaber v. Union Pacific R. Co.” on
www.findlaw.com. In that decision one finds
the Supreme Court ruled not only that the 16th
amendment changed nothing, but that the income tax is an
excise tax. But arguing the “legality” of this tax is
wasted breath…a living breathing sovereign person isn’t
subject to this tax…a corporate entity (trust) is. One
having difficulty with this concept need only send an
appropriate FOIA to the IRS and ask what law makes a
person liable for the income tax.
Now, if you wish
to be recognized as a trust, that is your own choice. If
so, then you are bound to pay income taxes in addition
to Social Security. If you wish to perform, rather, as
trustee you still must ensure the donations are
made to Social Security. But the income tax liability
looks a tad different.
Understanding that
when we claim Sovereignty we forfeit our Social Security
Number, how does one apply and obtain the following:
Drivers license
Business license
Bank account
Purchase an automobile
Rent an apartment
Purchase a home
A license is
permission to do something you are deemed otherwise
incompetent to do. You are free to contract as you wish.
You don’t need an SSN to purchase a car unless you wish
to secure a loan from a bank payable in funds drawn in
Federal Reserve notes. The same is so for a home. If you
wish to contract with a bank that will not obey the
Privacy Act (federal law governing the use and
disclosure of the SSN), you are free to do so.
When one becomes a Sovereign Citizen are they not held
accountable to the laws, statutes, and regulations of
the local, State, and Federal Governments?
You are held
accountable to the common law and those contracts to
which you enter into freely and knowingly.
Say we break one of the above laws, statutes, and
regulations, how does the established government deal
with us and conversely how do we deal with them legally?
How
does a bankrupt corporation deal with a creditor? Go
learn about bankruptcy, learn about what you call
“government” and ask how you deal with the “government”
when it breaks these “laws.” Then come back and ask what
you just asked above.
What if we injure a non-Sovereign Citizen, how do we
deal with them? And conversely what if we are injured by
a non-Sovereign Citizen. Say you are in a car accident
and it is your fault and they want to prosecute you.
Where do they go to have their case heard. Also, what if
the Sovereign Citizen is injured, what recourse does he
have? If your answer is the Common Court, does this
court have any authority to convene in the state where
one resides, and who gave the Common Courts the power?
You are as duty bound to honor the rights
of one who has not yet recognized his true status as one
who has. If you have injured someone unjustly you are
bound to make that person whole under any jurisdiction.
The Common Court is nothing but a bunch of witnesses who
pass “judgment” that is recognized in commercial law. It
has been recently brought to our attention that such a
judgment can, and has, been brought forth for remedy in
the court of common pleas through the federal courts.
Is
there a way to obtain these documents (Expatriation,
Repatriation and Apostille) without attending the
workshops?
The paperwork templates are available directly from a
website called
www.commonlawlibrary.com.
What is the phone number of the Social Security Office
where I can call in order to find out when my Social
Security actually began?
You can call 1-800-772-1213 and press 0 and 3 (shortcut
menu items) and ask the person who answers. Tell them
that you wish to know just when you got your social
security card (the month and year). Have your SS number
handy. If they are uncooperative please just hang up and
call them back later. They will give it
to you. Just be nice.
I was recommended a website where I read that some
people believe they are Sovereign when they are not.
This website stated “if you have a bank account with a
SSN attached, you are not sovereign. You are a
“taxpayer” by reason of contractual obligation."
Additionally I know of one group that does not use the
UCC-1 to gain sovereignty. They hold that it is in the
“language of the fraud,” so in effect you are fighting a
lie with a lie and it will not hold. I do not know what
to do in lieu of this.
The Declaration of Independence and the courts make
quite clear what is required to be a Sovereign. If you
are born then you are Sovereign. Sovereignty is not
something you “regain” because you didn’t lose it. You
can only choose not to embrace it and exercise it.
Samuel Adams said it best when he said...
“If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in
terms renounce or give up any natural right, the eternal
law of reason and the grand end of society would
absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to
freedom, being the gift of Almighty God, it is not in
the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily
become a slave.”
You don’t have a bank account, whether it has a social
security number attached or not. The bank is incapable
of intercourse with a real person, only corporations and
business entities. Such a business entity is a
“taxpayer” under state and federal tax laws. You
voluntarily act as a “surety” for the business entity in
commerce when you sign for it as an accommodating party.
However, the Supreme Court, in Ashton v. Cameron
County Water Improvement District, clearly agreed
that the sovereign (or quasi-sovereign) States cannot
even voluntarily “accommodate” a bankruptcy proceeding.
Since the States derive their sovereign capacity from
the inherent Sovereignty of the People (see Chisholm
v. Georgia, Yick Wo v. Hopkins, Ohio L. Ins & T. Co. v.
Debolt, Lansing v. Smith) the Supreme Court does not
recognize a Sovereign’s capacity to renounce this
inherent sovereignty because only God can take it away.
One cannot employ Redemption and the UCC-1 procedure to
“gain Sovereignty” because you must establish you are
Sovereign in the first place in order to prove you are a
creditor. Redemption is not about trumping a lie with a
lie. It is about exposing the truth. It is about title
and who holds that title in commerce. People have been
burned by the Redemption and the UCC procedure because
they have no understanding of it. The problem has been
further compounded because many judges are as ignorant
to commercial law as many patriots. That is the best
reason not to employ it in the first place. So in short,
if you cannot refute a critique of Redemption on your
own than you would be well advised to embrace the
critics’ position of the process and stay away from it.
Learn first who you are and what you are. It is our
ignorance of our own selves that got us into this mess
to begin with. Only by discovering who we already are
can we fix the problem on a national and global scale.
Recall the words of Jeremiah, Chapter 1, verse 5:
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you. I knew
you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I
appointed you a prophet to the nations.” Some find
this next statement crude but is the most effective
means to communicate to someone just what Sovereignty
is…
If your head popped out of a vagina
when you came into this world, then you are Sovereign.
Why do you think they call it crowning?
Concerning the Indenture Procedure, down at the
bottom where you sign, should we write above our
signature the following: WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UCC 1-207,
3-419. My understanding is that this will preserve our
rights under the Constitution. Let me know. Also, even
though on line 8 of the 1041 form (2000) it says "see
attached W-2's and 1099's", we don't actually send in
the 1099's, do we?
There are no trustees
we know of who have signed their indentures in that
manner. The indenture is a contract that provides clear
and full disclosure of your duties and responsibilities.
A trustee, as long as he acts in the course and scope of
his character and so on, is protected by the Fiduciary
Shield Doctrine (see Black's). So it would beg the
question why the UCC qualifier would be a necessity.
However, it is doubtful it will make much difference to
the SSA.
As to the
1099's, that is a question best left to an accountant.
Our best information is that 1099 income is not even
likely subject under the Employment Tax. If one was in
doubt though it would be wise to "hold" a requisite
amount for distribution at a later date. Most of us send
our 1099's in with the tax form (federal).
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